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		<title>Comment on Peter Dougherty Lake Michigan Kayaking Fatality by Jeremy Faust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Faust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have talked to a few people here in the Chicago area about getting some sort of website / handout / DVD into the hands of the big box retailers and convincing them about the DIRE need to educate their uneducated consumers. I know the 17 year old kid at Dick&#039;s or Costco know even less than the customer.... but shouldn&#039;t it be up to us to impress upon the store managers that their staff be trained to inform new paddlers of the dangers this time of year pose? I&#039;m sure we could get enough volunteers together to offer the stores free in-house seminars on what to tell customers. I&#039;m envisioning the staff handing out DVDs or flyers for a website that is similar to the &quot;Blood on the Highway&quot; movies we all had to watch for drivers ed class!! This is literally a life and death issue and should be driven home as such. In the past few months Chicagoland alone has given us enough horror stories about unprepared paddlers succumbing to badly laid plans... it should be easy to assemble a collection of news stories and point by point examples of what went wrong just like what&#039;s detailed above. Scared Safe is kinda what I&#039;m thinking?? 
 
Any thoughts on if this seems worthwhile or plausible?  
Thanks!! 
Jeremy Faust 
jeremy@aheadofmytime.com </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have talked to a few people here in the Chicago area about getting some sort of website / handout / DVD into the hands of the big box retailers and convincing them about the DIRE need to educate their uneducated consumers. I know the 17 year old kid at Dick&#8217;s or Costco know even less than the customer&#8230;. but shouldn&#8217;t it be up to us to impress upon the store managers that their staff be trained to inform new paddlers of the dangers this time of year pose? I&#8217;m sure we could get enough volunteers together to offer the stores free in-house seminars on what to tell customers. I&#8217;m envisioning the staff handing out DVDs or flyers for a website that is similar to the &#8220;Blood on the Highway&#8221; movies we all had to watch for drivers ed class!! This is literally a life and death issue and should be driven home as such. In the past few months Chicagoland alone has given us enough horror stories about unprepared paddlers succumbing to badly laid plans&#8230; it should be easy to assemble a collection of news stories and point by point examples of what went wrong just like what&#8217;s detailed above. Scared Safe is kinda what I&#8217;m thinking??</p>
<p>Any thoughts on if this seems worthwhile or plausible? </p>
<p>Thanks!!</p>
<p>Jeremy Faust</p>
<p><a href="mailto:jeremy@aheadofmytime.com">jeremy@aheadofmytime.com</a> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Expeditions vs. Trips by John F</title>
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		<dc:creator>John F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we just call the Pukaskwa trip an &quot;escape from the mind-numbing futility of our daily lives&quot;, and get on with it? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we just call the Pukaskwa trip an &#8220;escape from the mind-numbing futility of our daily lives&#8221;, and get on with it? </p>
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		<title>Comment on Chris Hobson Kayak Surfing in Cornwall by JohnF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish he, or somebody remotely like him, was in OBX last week to provide an existence theorem for getting off the beach.  They could have shown me it was possible to paddle out through the endless soup and dumping waves.   
 
Then again, there were no surfers out either for 5 out of 7 days, either. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish he, or somebody remotely like him, was in OBX last week to provide an existence theorem for getting off the beach.  They could have shown me it was possible to paddle out through the endless soup and dumping waves.  </p>
<p>Then again, there were no surfers out either for 5 out of 7 days, either. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Expeditions vs. Trips by kwikle</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwikle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leon, 
 
I like your idea that life is about those memorable experiences, and that an expedition is more memorable than a trip.  It is my mid-western humility that doesn\&#039;t allow me to say expedition without irony. But I may try calling our Pukaskwa \&quot;journey\&quot; an expedition and see how it feels.  
 
Best,  
 
Keith </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon,</p>
<p>I like your idea that life is about those memorable experiences, and that an expedition is more memorable than a trip.  It is my mid-western humility that doesn\&#8217;t allow me to say expedition without irony. But I may try calling our Pukaskwa \&#8221;journey\&#8221; an expedition and see how it feels. </p>
<p>Best, </p>
<p>Keith </p>
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		<title>Comment on Peter Dougherty Lake Michigan Kayaking Fatality by kwikle</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwikle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,  
   
  
   
Thanks for your comments. Seeing as you knew Peter, my deepest condolences to you and to his family. There is an inherent risk in paddling, no doubt.   
   
  
   
I appreciate the need to clarify some of this information. If you knew Peter, can you clarify this?   
   
  
   
Could he roll the Otter in six foot waves?  
   
Did he have proper immersion gear, and just not wear it that day?   
   
Did he normally have a marine radio or some sort of signalling device?  
   
Did he normally file a float plan?   
   
The media said he was a white water instructor, but the ACA did not have any record of him being a WW certified instructor. Could you validate what his training was?   
  
I have been kayak surfing the great lakes for almost 12 years in a variety of craft. As point of reference this is my usual list of precautions and gear.  
  
  
	I always tell my wife, or someone on shore where I am leaving from, where I will be paddling, and when I will be back, and to call the coastguard/lifesaving service if I am overdue.  
	I always dress for the swim, I wear either a 4/3 suit, or a full drysuit depending on water temps. Wetsuit in water above 50, and drysuit with thermal layers when it is below 50. This includes pogies, gloves, and a neoprene hood.   
	I carry a marine radio, signal mirror, strobe, and flares on my lifejacket so I can signal for help if I get hurt, or separated from my kayak.   
  
	I try to paddle with someone whenever possible to ensure I at least have someone to call for help. But this is not always possible, and I do kayak surf in fall alone quite a bit. But I make sure to make friends, or at least my presence known with board surfers, kite boarders, and other people in the water so that if I am not visible for some time, someone out on the water knows about it. I also try to surf within sight of board surfers so that we can look out for one another.   
I have learned how to eskimo roll all of my kayaks in surf of all sizes. I also know how to perform a variety of self-re-entry techniques including re-enter and roll.  
	I look at the weather patterns, wind speed, and wave conditions on a variety of lake cams, to see if the conditions are going to be safe enough for me to even drive to the beach and think about going out. There were many days this fall where it was just plain nuts to go out, one of which was the day Mitch Fajman was killed. I was going to be surfing in the exact spot where he lost his life, and I elected not to go out.   
	I make an assessment of the conditions based on my skills and equipment once I am on the beach and can see the conditions before actually getting on the water, looking for wind, wave, rip currents, and hazards in the water. Because I do a lot of planning while looking at the forecast, I have very rarely had to call it on the beach that I am not going out, but I can recall two-three times where I just said &quot;screw it.&quot;  
    
  
While I am making some conjectural statements above that might seem like I am guessing at what could have happened. My assessment of the conditions is based on surfing the great lakes over a time period that is roughly half of the time Peter was alive. I totally understand the ache and the hole this kind of event puts in your life, but would you say it is fair that Peter made an egregious error in judgement when he paddled out into six foot waves without telling anyone where he was or how long he would be out, in a boat with no flotation, that he could not self-rescue, with no immersion protection or any way to signal for help.   
  
In my 12 years of experience surfing the Great Lakes, those are risks I would not take.   
  
  
  
   
  
   
And if you would rather not reply online, that&#039;s fine too, I would be happy to chat on the phone.   
   
  
   
Best wishes,   
   
  
   
Keith  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,  </p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. Seeing as you knew Peter, my deepest condolences to you and to his family. There is an inherent risk in paddling, no doubt.   </p>
<p>I appreciate the need to clarify some of this information. If you knew Peter, can you clarify this?   </p>
<p>Could he roll the Otter in six foot waves?  </p>
<p>Did he have proper immersion gear, and just not wear it that day?   </p>
<p>Did he normally have a marine radio or some sort of signalling device?  </p>
<p>Did he normally file a float plan?   </p>
<p>The media said he was a white water instructor, but the ACA did not have any record of him being a WW certified instructor. Could you validate what his training was?   </p>
<p>I have been kayak surfing the great lakes for almost 12 years in a variety of craft. As point of reference this is my usual list of precautions and gear.  </p>
<p>	I always tell my wife, or someone on shore where I am leaving from, where I will be paddling, and when I will be back, and to call the coastguard/lifesaving service if I am overdue.<br />
	I always dress for the swim, I wear either a 4/3 suit, or a full drysuit depending on water temps. Wetsuit in water above 50, and drysuit with thermal layers when it is below 50. This includes pogies, gloves, and a neoprene hood.<br />
	I carry a marine radio, signal mirror, strobe, and flares on my lifejacket so I can signal for help if I get hurt, or separated from my kayak.   </p>
<p>	I try to paddle with someone whenever possible to ensure I at least have someone to call for help. But this is not always possible, and I do kayak surf in fall alone quite a bit. But I make sure to make friends, or at least my presence known with board surfers, kite boarders, and other people in the water so that if I am not visible for some time, someone out on the water knows about it. I also try to surf within sight of board surfers so that we can look out for one another.<br />
I have learned how to eskimo roll all of my kayaks in surf of all sizes. I also know how to perform a variety of self-re-entry techniques including re-enter and roll.<br />
	I look at the weather patterns, wind speed, and wave conditions on a variety of lake cams, to see if the conditions are going to be safe enough for me to even drive to the beach and think about going out. There were many days this fall where it was just plain nuts to go out, one of which was the day Mitch Fajman was killed. I was going to be surfing in the exact spot where he lost his life, and I elected not to go out.<br />
	I make an assessment of the conditions based on my skills and equipment once I am on the beach and can see the conditions before actually getting on the water, looking for wind, wave, rip currents, and hazards in the water. Because I do a lot of planning while looking at the forecast, I have very rarely had to call it on the beach that I am not going out, but I can recall two-three times where I just said &#8220;screw it.&#8221;  </p>
<p>While I am making some conjectural statements above that might seem like I am guessing at what could have happened. My assessment of the conditions is based on surfing the great lakes over a time period that is roughly half of the time Peter was alive. I totally understand the ache and the hole this kind of event puts in your life, but would you say it is fair that Peter made an egregious error in judgement when he paddled out into six foot waves without telling anyone where he was or how long he would be out, in a boat with no flotation, that he could not self-rescue, with no immersion protection or any way to signal for help.   </p>
<p>In my 12 years of experience surfing the Great Lakes, those are risks I would not take.   </p>
<p>And if you would rather not reply online, that&#8217;s fine too, I would be happy to chat on the phone.   </p>
<p>Best wishes,   </p>
<p>Keith  </p>
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		<title>Comment on Expeditions vs. Trips by Leon Somme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Somme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post. It is now clear to me that an expedition involves the 20 year old scotch without a stumble and fall.  A trip involves the later without the former and hence Nigel being a Brit can claim all events an expedition! Remember life is about significant memorable moments - the word &quot;expedition&quot; has an exciting connotation and is emotional sounding - the word &quot;trip&quot; is not so memorable nor does it sound special. I, being from the West Coast will go on exciting memorable expeditions and leave the feeling of being a bloated wanker to people who go on &quot;trips&quot;! Was that too strong? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post. It is now clear to me that an expedition involves the 20 year old scotch without a stumble and fall.  A trip involves the later without the former and hence Nigel being a Brit can claim all events an expedition! Remember life is about significant memorable moments &#8211; the word &#8220;expedition&#8221; has an exciting connotation and is emotional sounding &#8211; the word &#8220;trip&#8221; is not so memorable nor does it sound special. I, being from the West Coast will go on exciting memorable expeditions and leave the feeling of being a bloated wanker to people who go on &#8220;trips&#8221;! Was that too strong? </p>
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		<title>Comment on Peter Dougherty Lake Michigan Kayaking Fatality by Howard Caplan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Caplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avoidable tragedy.  I&#039;m not a kayaker but am an avid canoe paddler.  White, flat and big lakes.  But I don&#039;t take risks as I know my limitations and have way too much respect for the water and changeable conditions.  Last Saturday I was was in my canoe shop in Manitowoc County about a 1/2 block from L. Michigan.  I looked hard at the lake about 11 am.  After a day of sanding and varnishing I took another look at the lake and Hika Bay was almost a solid wall of white caps with 4 - 5 ft rollers coming into shore fast.  Of course the wind was predictably roaring all day. 
Got home later and my wife told me about the &quot;experienced&quot; kayaker off Port Washington. 
Wind, waves, 46 degree water.  I guess until I read through these posts, I assumed he was in a proper sea kayak.  Now all I can do is shake my head and say to all, let&#039;s get busy and educate people. 
Howard </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avoidable tragedy.  I&#8217;m not a kayaker but am an avid canoe paddler.  White, flat and big lakes.  But I don&#8217;t take risks as I know my limitations and have way too much respect for the water and changeable conditions.  Last Saturday I was was in my canoe shop in Manitowoc County about a 1/2 block from L. Michigan.  I looked hard at the lake about 11 am.  After a day of sanding and varnishing I took another look at the lake and Hika Bay was almost a solid wall of white caps with 4 &#8211; 5 ft rollers coming into shore fast.  Of course the wind was predictably roaring all day.</p>
<p>Got home later and my wife told me about the &#8220;experienced&#8221; kayaker off Port Washington.</p>
<p>Wind, waves, 46 degree water.  I guess until I read through these posts, I assumed he was in a proper sea kayak.  Now all I can do is shake my head and say to all, let&#8217;s get busy and educate people.</p>
<p>Howard </p>
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		<title>Comment on Expeditions vs. Trips by Sherri Mertz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherri Mertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would consider most excursions to fall under the category of &quot;trips&quot; regardless of length, distance, remoteness, sponsorship, or exposure.  With all due respect for Nigel Dennis, an &quot;expedition&quot; is a category of trip that has a purpose or task that reaches beyond the members going out for their own enjoyment and/or exploration of an area that is new to them.  Lewis and Clark went on an &quot;expedition&quot; because the purpose of their trip was exploration for the benefit of the United States government and science, not just because they wanted to explore it for themselves.  Freya Hoffmeister&#039;s circumnavigation of Australia was a &quot;trip&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would consider most excursions to fall under the category of &#8220;trips&#8221; regardless of length, distance, remoteness, sponsorship, or exposure.  With all due respect for Nigel Dennis, an &#8220;expedition&#8221; is a category of trip that has a purpose or task that reaches beyond the members going out for their own enjoyment and/or exploration of an area that is new to them.  Lewis and Clark went on an &#8220;expedition&#8221; because the purpose of their trip was exploration for the benefit of the United States government and science, not just because they wanted to explore it for themselves.  Freya Hoffmeister&#8217;s circumnavigation of Australia was a &#8220;trip&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Peter Dougherty Lake Michigan Kayaking Fatality by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own an Otter and I occasionally take it out in waves, but not when its 6 feet, and not without wearing the same wetsuit gear I would wear for surfing under that day&#039;s conditions.  Once tipped, Otters are very difficult to roll (I haven&#039;t tried to perfect it, but I personally cannot do it), and I can say with virtual certainty that all but extremely experienced kayakers would have tipped in those conditions. This was an avoidable tragedy, he should have known not to go out at all with that craft under those conditions, and at the very least he should have known not to go out without a winter wetsuit because if he knew how to swim, he probably could have lived. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own an Otter and I occasionally take it out in waves, but not when its 6 feet, and not without wearing the same wetsuit gear I would wear for surfing under that day&#8217;s conditions.  Once tipped, Otters are very difficult to roll (I haven&#8217;t tried to perfect it, but I personally cannot do it), and I can say with virtual certainty that all but extremely experienced kayakers would have tipped in those conditions. This was an avoidable tragedy, he should have known not to go out at all with that craft under those conditions, and at the very least he should have known not to go out without a winter wetsuit because if he knew how to swim, he probably could have lived. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Peter Dougherty Lake Michigan Kayaking Fatality by Bob Pratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for posting this and following up on the information. Let me echo my deepest sympathy for Peters loved ones and those who attempted his resuscitation.  I&#039;m the education director for the Great Lakes Surf Rescue Project. We compile data on deaths in the Great Lakes and do water safety programs throughout the region. 

In the past 2 years at least 11 people have perished on the Great Lakes while canoeing or kayaking. There was another  fatality in Lake St. Clair just last weekend: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2012/03/12/wdr-canoe-drowning-st-clair.html

We MUST do a better job of educating the public about safe practices, I certainly don&#039;t want to  become a &#039;safety Nazi&#039; but I fear there is the very real possibility of limiting access to watermen (and women). A man was arrested in Chicago recently for surfing.

We are interested in collaborating with any group with an interest in Great Lakes water safety. We have a facebook page at: 
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Great-Lakes-Surf-Rescue-Project/120501018657
and a website under construction at: 
www.ripcurrentsafety.com
You may also reach me at Bob Pratt@GLSRP.org

As a final note I would encourage everyone to become a positive role model for safety: always wear a lifejacket, file a float plan, learn CPR and encourage your paddling partners to do the same. We&#039;ve lost over 150 lives in the last 2 years, many of these are preventable with simple steps.

Thank you,
bob

Bob Pratt
Great Lakes Surf Rescue Project</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for posting this and following up on the information. Let me echo my deepest sympathy for Peters loved ones and those who attempted his resuscitation.  I&#8217;m the education director for the Great Lakes Surf Rescue Project. We compile data on deaths in the Great Lakes and do water safety programs throughout the region. </p>
<p>In the past 2 years at least 11 people have perished on the Great Lakes while canoeing or kayaking. There was another  fatality in Lake St. Clair just last weekend: <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2012/03/12/wdr-canoe-drowning-st-clair.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2012/03/12/wdr-canoe-drowning-st-clair.html</a></p>
<p>We MUST do a better job of educating the public about safe practices, I certainly don&#8217;t want to  become a &#8216;safety Nazi&#8217; but I fear there is the very real possibility of limiting access to watermen (and women). A man was arrested in Chicago recently for surfing.</p>
<p>We are interested in collaborating with any group with an interest in Great Lakes water safety. We have a facebook page at:<br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Great-Lakes-Surf-Rescue-Project/120501018657" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/pages/Great-Lakes-Surf-Rescue-Project/120501018657</a><br />
and a website under construction at:<br />
<a href="http://www.ripcurrentsafety.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ripcurrentsafety.com</a><br />
You may also reach me at Bob <a href="mailto:Pratt@GLSRP.org">Pratt@GLSRP.org</a></p>
<p>As a final note I would encourage everyone to become a positive role model for safety: always wear a lifejacket, file a float plan, learn CPR and encourage your paddling partners to do the same. We&#8217;ve lost over 150 lives in the last 2 years, many of these are preventable with simple steps.</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />
bob</p>
<p>Bob Pratt<br />
Great Lakes Surf Rescue Project</p>
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